Fox News Barely Contains Its Excitement Over Obama Vs. Cheney Duel

@Ssscorpion: Stop equating conservatives and sadists, you liberal fuck

slainte_pants

@Ssscorpion: The world is not binary.

@Fry_Bread_Power: Unless you go hunting with him. Then he's the king of shooting you in the face.

The more Cheney keeps flapping his mouth, the more I'm inclined to think letting the Iraqi's try him for war crimes (Iraqi style) may just be the right course of action.

Spirit Fingers

Here's the thing: No one should be listening to anything Dick Cheney has to say about how the government manages American security, until he says it under oath in front of a truth and reconciliation commission.

How dare FOX give both sides a story? Why can't they behave like the real journalists at ABC, CBS and NBC and censor the conservative take on the issue?

Ssscorpion

@rustneversleeps: You know, after re-reading my comment, I can see how it's confusing. I forget that fervent Bush/Cheney supporters can get over-the-top and they are not using gawker commenter humor.

@Almostbanned: yes, because government mandated abstinence-only education and federal conscious clauses doesn't give the government power over people's daily lives at all.

30 Jan 1941 Richard Bruce "Dick" Cheney born, Lincoln NE.

14 Aug 1941 Lynne Ann Vincent born, Casper, WY.

Nov 1962 Dick Cheney arrested for drunk driving.

1963 Dick Cheney arrested for drunk driving, again.

1963 Drops out of Yale.

29 Aug 1964 Marries high school sweetheart Lynne Anne Vincent.

1965 Graduated University of Wyoming.

Oct 1965 Selective Service subjects married men without children to the draft.

1965 Seeks a 3-A deferment (has dependents) when Lynne is ten weeks pregnant.

28 Jul 1966 First child born, nine months and two days after Selective Service announced that married men without children were subject to the draft. Whew, that was close.

monoverb

Burgess Meredith is still alive!?!

@Town of the Big House DLJ: I was wondering the SAME thing!

I would really like to see Cheney participate in Nell Appreciation Day.

HectorLolzordyius

@Almostbanned: You're becoming predictably boring.

leonleonleon

This was made for TV timing.

oneinsixbillion

hopefully the duel isn't shotguns at 20 yards, or Obama's in trouble.

m4ximusprim3

@Mount_Prion: C.U.C.A.R.A.C.H.A.: Even that, though, is still retroactively upsetting. How could we have let that happen?

@i'm a bottle: correction: "...hardworking people merely in order to give it away to welfare queens..."

i'm a bottle

@Almostbanned: Oh, you're a libertarian, so that means that you're so much smarter than the rest of the sheep, those that simply give in to the government, and allow it to take both freedoms and hard-earned money away from smart, hardworking people and giving it to welfare queens in Cadillac limousines, right? Am I right?

i'm a bottle

Fear makes people do stupid things. In 1980 the media fueled an atmosphere of fear/hate over the Iranian hostages, virtually guaranteeing Reagan the presidency.

Reagan did as much as he could to hype fear of an Evil Empire (one that was, in fact, on the brink of collapse) and in so doing he tripled the national debt, putting the U.S. government in its permanent mendicant status.

In 2003 Cheney and Co. leveraged the climate of fear to justify their invasion of Iraq, which -- hundreds of thousands of deaths aside -- in the end will cost the U.S. treasury even more than the Reagan deficits.

FDR had it right: fear is very much something to be feared.

@Almostbanned: right, because the total-lack-of-oversight-free-market... didn't fuck anybody over.

Wait, is Cheney still Vice President? There are two now?

@Almostbanned: It's obvious to rational people that the Reagan, Bush 41, and Bush 43 policies did not work. We're teetering on the brink of another Great Depression. We need more government involvement.If nothing else, we might get some potholes fixed.

rustneversleeps

@Fry_Bread_Power: Oh gawd,please tell me you're using Gawker commenter's humor.

rustneversleeps

You package the Obama/Cheney duel with a George W./Malia Lego build-off and you got yourself a pay-per-view!

Mymoustache

@Fry_Bread_Power: ALL perceived insults get rebuked when you're dealing with THE OCTAGON... although if he would judt claim to be jamaican he would be the Octo-mon and we wouldn't have to worry about this nonsense...

Expressing no remorse for the actions the Bush White House had ordered, Cheney said under the same circumstances he would make the same decisions "without hesitation." -- AP
And that, my friends, is really all you need to know.

@Mount_Prion: C.U.C.A.R.A.C.H.A.: Yeah, its disturbing how rarely TV gets that right.

@Mount_Prion: C.U.C.A.R.A.C.H.A.: WRONG! WRONG! WRONG! WRONG! DICK CHENEY IS THE KING OF AWESOME AND KING OF KEEPING AMERICANS SAFE AND WILL REMAIN THE REAL AMERICA'S VICE PRESIDENT FOREVER AND EVER AND EVER NO MATTER HOW MANY BIDENS TRY AND SAY THEY ARE VICE PRESIDENT.

Jake then goes on to say how he's 'not whining!' and doesn't care.

Really? then why take the time to make a whiny response, Mr. Apathy?

@Almostbanned: Yes. Because all of that started on January 21, 2009.

Fox News: 60% of the time, it works every time.

He is the FORMER VP, Fox. Thank god.

Better we have fear mongering over the economy now.

Its funny that the Bush administration is accused of sowing irrational fear of terrorists in order to pass laws that limited freedoms and expanded military engagements, and now the Obama administration does the exact same thing in order to raise taxes and grow the power of government over people's private lives and businesses.

Almostbanned

I have to give your credit for a great title. It made me laugh outloud at work.

Many thanks...

I like how at fox, Cheney is still VP. Glad I don't live there.

@Ssscorpion: Indeed. Only Fox has the courage to recognize there are two sides -- and always exactly two -- to every story. Which is why only they had the courage to air the "other side" of the universal condemnation of Timothy McVeigh's actions. He was anti-government, after all, and his side deserves to be heard!

Indeed, there is an "other side" to Enron's criminal actions, and only Fox News had the courage to explain why crimes are good when rich people get richer.

WretchedGnu

@Ssscorpion:

It's supposed to be the news, which does not necessarily mean giving equal time to opposing arguments.

resipsaloquacious

I'm still stuck on how Jake Tapper tweeted all of that in one entry. Is he cheating?

@Almostbanned:

You are assuming that the economic fears were (and to a lesser extent still are) irrational. The overwhelming majority of financial professionals, economists and former and current government officials (Sec. of Treas, Fed. etc) believed that the possibility of a complete finanical meltdown was necessary. This includes the former Bush administration officials. I don't think the fear was irrational.

As far as Govt having increased power over businesses, well sure. When someone loan you a trillion dollars, you get to pull some strings. Not an ideal situation, for sure, but what was the alternative?

The above is really besides the point. The real issue is that you find the Bush admin's Constitutional violations and lies to the American people as morally equivalent to Obama's push for higher taxes (on those making 250k or more) and more restrictions on business. I guess we have different priorities.

Oh, and what are Obama's lies to which you referred? I think he was pretty clear during his campaign about raising taxes.

resipsaloquacious

@monoverb: Shit is that true? Wow. He's such a winner.

Mar Charbel

@ChillbearLatrigue: Raise taxes to REAGAN-ERA levels. What fear-mongering do you mean? If every damn speech he emphasizes no need to panic. It's not "nobody addressed the point" because there is no point. Did you forget Bush was the one who began the bailouts? I mean really, what SPECIFICALLY are you even talking about?

Mar Charbel

@ChillbearLatrigue: Oh my. Someone's been drinking the Hannity kool-aid. You must be in the top 1% of the nation in income if you're that concerned about Obama's fiscal policies.

Every time I hear this line about taking money from people who earn it giving it to those that didn't, what I really hear is "I don't want people of color getting something for nothing."

Keep in mind that Obama would not need to be pour countless bucks into the system if we could have avoided 2 terms of Reagan, 1 term of 41, and 2 terms (unbelievable that he got a second term) of Bush 43. These 3 morons gave the store away. Don't lecture me about heaping money on the masses after all of these years with the Republicans taking our money and giving it to the wealthiest of the wealthiest. It's time for it to shift the other way. I don't mind paying taxes to keep the US strong and provide for people. There's no need for people to go hungry or not get health care.

rustneversleeps

@Almostbanned: With all that's been going on for the last six months or more - the massive job losses, bank collapses, foreclosures, and California basically declaring Chapter 11 - it's not really fear mongering, is it? I mean, there are many legitimate reasons to be afraid of what's going on with the economy.

@Almostbanned: It's interesting that out of six people that responded to your post, not one of them made any sort of defense or counter to your allegation that Obama is using fear to push through his reckless spending agenda. The counter was that Republicans had it wrong, so Obama must be right. I call bullshit on that one.

Obama is taking the worst part of the Bush Administrations fiscal policies and multiplying the potency. This President isn't coming along and doing something refreshing and different to restore the economy. He is printing money to propose new entitlements.

I am philosophically opposed to taking money from the people who earn it and giving it to those that didn't, but that isn't even what's happening here. If we could afford that, it would suck, but at least it wouldn't be dangerous. What is actually occurring is that we are borrowing money to try to heap it upon the masses in the form of all sorts of new benefits. The result will be a crippling debt load that we will eventually force the reduction of all of these "necessary" programs or the bankruptcy of the nation as a whole.

The Dow closed down 130 points today. This is not by itself significant except for that the reason in part is that there is talk of the US losing it's AAA credit rating due to it's enormous debt. Right now, it's just talk. However, the talk wasn't around before TARP and TALP.

[www.bloomberg.com]

Would one of you, like to actually counter AB's argument?

@Sproing: In shackles! (it'll look better on tv)

really read that link as "just as Obama was in the middle passage" which, perhaps, would have been a better metaphor for his struggle against the evil white captor (of our attention).

cocodevaux

@monoverb: Was it the lesbian daughter that was born then? Because that'd be deliciously ironic.

@Ssscorpion: What exactly is the conservative approach to trying to restore the rule of both US and international law after 8 years of deliberate misappropriation and bad-faith interpretation of it?

Oh yeah, I forgot... TERRORISTS! TERRORISTS! TAKING YOUR GUNS AWAY, SOCIALIST-COMMUNIST-GODLESS BABY KILLING ARRRRRHGHGHGHGHGH!!!!9/11/9/11/911 USAUSAUSA!

He is such an arch-villain! I really thought people like him only existed in comic books and Tom Clancy novels (same diff).

@naugahydeinplainsight: Amazing...so even if he knew there was not one WMD in the whole of Iraq, he would have done the same thing? I think this basically confirms that he did know...

@Mymoustache: Malia would throw the game when she realized she was beating the sad old man...

Pssst...Should we tell them this isn't a duel in the style of Hamilton and Burr?

@Spirit Fingers: seconds.

@Sev: Here, here

Moishe

@rustneversleeps: Listen jumper, I will tolerate a lot of things in here, but being labeled a racist is not one of them. I measure every man and woman by his or her personal worth. I just don't think much of people who are always walking around with their palm facing the sky, regardless of their skin, gender, age weight, sexual orientation or anything else that comes on those government forms.

I don't think you know a thing about how taxes work. No one has taken your money away from you and given it to the rich. We have a progressive tax system which means that the richest people pay the highest taxes and the poorest pay nothing. When Bush instituted his tax cuts, which didn't only effect the top 1%, they weren't accompanied by an increase in taxes for the poor, who, once again, pay nothing.

The rest of your comments about how Obama is going to fix everything that the Republicans ruined is partisan nonsense that I have already argued ad nauseum in a hundred other posts.

@Mar Charbel: Just because Obama is not panicky does not mean that he is not using fear as a tactic. The man got up and railed about how TALP had to be passed right away to save jobs, then he waited four days to sign it into law so he could wait until after President's Day weekend for one of his famous photo ops in Colorado. It was a thousand page document that passed both houses in less than a day.

Finally, to you all. I have acknowledged numerous times that Bush spent too much. BUSH SPENT TOO MUCH. Now you have it in all caps. However, he raised more tax dollars than any President in US history. It wasn't the tax policies. It was the spending policies. See?

Oh, and something sarcastic and snarky to lighten the mood.