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After All These Years, Debra Winger Still Can't Stand Shirley MacLaine's Guts
Posted by Mark Graham at 10:20 AM on June 10, 2008
It's been 25 years since Terms Of Endearment arrived in the multiplexes of America, turning virtually everyone who saw it into an emotional basketcase. And while the film swept most of the major awards at the 1984 Academy Awards, there was one integral member of the cast who left the L.A. County Music Center that night less than thrilled. That person was Debra Winger, who was none too pleased that her co-star and arch rival Shirley MacLaine took home the coveted Best Actress Award. Not only were the two on-set rivals (one potentially tall tale had Winger farting in MacLaine's face), but MacLaine famously shouted "I deserve this!" when her name was called over Winger's that night.
It's been 25 years since Terms Of Endearment arrived in the multiplexes of America, turning virtually everyone who saw it into an emotional basketcase. And while the film swept most of the major awards at the 1984 Academy Awards, there was one integral member of the cast who left the
Flash forward to today's episode of The View, which featured an appearance from none other than Winger herself. Being the gossipy yentas that they are, The Ladies Of The View weren't about to let an opportunity to grill Winger on one of Hollywood's most famous rivalries pass them by. Well, you know the old saying that "Time heals all wounds"? Let's just say that it's not applicable in this case.
When Joy raises the issues of Debra Winger's notorious reputation in Hollywood, both Elisabeth and Sherri pile on in an attempt to get Debra to spill the beans about the legendarily cantankerous kook. But instead of taking the opportunity to be the bigger person and diffuse the situation by saying words to the effect of "what's done is done", Winger stood defiant by refusing to turn the other cheek. And proving that her case of sour grapes isn't solely limited to her narrow Oscar loss, Winger almost let us in on the (seemingly not-so-pleasant) secret of what really turned little Troy Bishop Huckleberry Fox into a blubbering mess on set. While it sadly appears that we'll never find out how many licks it took to get to the centre of that Tootsie Pop, we can only speculate that it had something to do with threats of broken wind.
- The View [ABC]
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arirang
Posted 11:29 AM 10/6/08
she looks great but she looks MUCH different, kind of in that Jennifer Grey way...
arirang
DrFeelgood
Posted 11:23 AM 10/6/08
Look out Sally Field, there's another Academy Award winning potential Boneva Spokesperson on the horizon.
DrFeelgood
Old No.7
Posted 12:33 PM 10/6/08
You'll get the award in your next life, Debra.
Old No.7
DrFeelgood
Posted 12:21 PM 10/6/08
@Losin_it: When flying "coach" it still is.
DrFeelgood
Losin_it
Posted 12:11 PM 10/6/08
In ancient Sumer, a fart in the face was actually the highest form of respect.
Losin_it
mothrafairy
Posted 12:10 PM 10/6/08
Uh...All I heard her say about MacLaine was: "I don't want to diss her."
For Hollywood, that's pretty high-road. And compliments to her plastic surgeon on one of the more tasteful "jobs" I've seen in awhile.
Anyhow, it's good to see The Winger again, even surrounded by a gaggle of flesh-eating Harpies from the Ninth Pit of Hell.
mothrafairy
Kellimanjaro
Posted 12:37 PM 10/6/08
@arirang: I was transfixed on the same thing. Any guesses?
If it's surgery, it's not run-of-the-mill. While her eyes used to be more open, but I'm not really seeing that Joyce Wildenstern-Wayne Newton-Bruce Jenner post-facelift cat eye thing. And her cheeks/jawline...hmm...I dunno.
Kellimanjaro
Molly O'Poverty
Posted 1:16 PM 10/6/08
She looks like a brunnette Laura Linney now.
Molly O'Poverty
rev2002
Posted 1:47 PM 10/6/08
Oh my god....I have to know what made that kid cry. Some one please just come with something...even a fat lie...just something.
rev2002
curtice
Posted 2:10 PM 10/6/08
Good to see Winger, except at the same time on The Price is Right, Drew Carey had a tense moment when two contestants tied spinning the wheel for the second spot in the showcase showdown. It came down to one spin each; highest spin moves to the showcase. 45 cents won.
BTW, that dick Sissy hooks up in Urban Cowboy reminds me of my stepfather.
curtice
Tits_LaRue
Posted 1:59 PM 10/6/08
Oooh, yeah, she looks... generically modified. I was looking at her imdb bio, and why do I always forget she was married to Timothy "hot in the 80's" Hutton?
Tits_LaRue
LivingDaylight
Posted 3:38 PM 10/6/08
She didnt exactly shout it. See her receiving the award.
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slauza
Posted 5:23 PM 10/6/08
"Winger stood defiant by refusing to turn the other cheek."
Did I watch the wrong clip? Or did I come to Page Six by accident?
slauza
el smrtmnky
Posted 6:08 PM 10/6/08
she's resembles a trim and less anxious Lorraine Bracco, imho.
@LivingDaylight: i snorted all over my keyboard at your message. good work!
el smrtmnky
pixie-stix
Posted 8:44 PM 10/6/08
Maybe there is unsettled business w/McLaine (although DW didn't really take the bait when this bunch tried it on), but who the hell cares. She looks terrific, it's great to see her.
pixie-stix
regisgoat
Posted 9:03 PM 10/6/08
@Losin' It:
We'll, we're not in ancient Sumer, are we! I've had it with you and your ancient Sumer! All the time with your "the ziggurats were so beautiful, and the olive oil they had back then was so delicious, and the men looked so dashing with their balloon hats, not like the slobs they have today, and it was so beautiful when the quince trees were in bloom, and all you had to do to find out what the weather was going to be like was to cut open a sheep and look at the entrails..." If ancient Sumer was so great, why did you ever leave? Give me Woodland Hills anyday!
As for the urban cowgirl: Doing-wise, count me in.
She's a good actress. She was even good in a 'tard movie (one directed by Maggie Gylenhaal's dad). It's hard to be good in a 'tard movie, and she was good...
regisgoat
clapyourhandssayLauren
Posted 10:29 PM 10/6/08
Way to go, Paula! Way to go!
[Did they talk about An Officer and a Gentleman at all? Let's bust that clip out! I'm still not over Richard Gere riding away on that Triumph. I fucking love that movie -- AND the Winger.]
clapyourhandssayLauren
sayanything
Posted 11:00 PM 10/6/08
Two licks, on each cheek.
sayanything
Cookie Guggleman
Posted 11:44 PM 10/6/08
She looks a little like Laura Linney.
Cookie Guggleman
Losin_it
Posted 11:25 PM 10/6/08
@regisgoat: Didn't mean to offend, nor to imply that Ancient Sumer has made any greater contribution to human development than Woodland Hills. The Sumerians merely gave us the wheel and astronomy. Woodland Hills has given us Lisa Kudrow and Wilmer Valderrama. The cosmic scales are perfectly balanced.
Losin_it
harshmellow
Posted 12:54 AM 11/6/08
WOW. I haven't seen her in awhile. She looks GREAT.
@mothrafairy: I totally agree with your View description! EEK!
harshmellow
Desperate Attempt to Stay Relevant
Posted 12:32 AM 11/6/08
What happened to The Winger, dude? Zooey Deschanel looks more like Debra Winger than Debra Winger does. Sad.
Desperate Attempt to Stay Relevant
dluvvly
Posted 1:37 AM 11/6/08
That's okay, we never have been able to stand Debra Winger's guts.
dluvvly
frodo2206
Posted 1:34 AM 11/6/08
Yeah shes had some work done. looks much better than last time i saw her.
frodo2206
waitinformyman
Posted 1:21 AM 11/6/08
c'mon. she doesn't look like herself. it's bizarre. she looks like she's in shape, but her face has been messed with.
waitinformyman
alittletooclosetothesun
Posted 2:37 AM 11/6/08
P.S. that wasn't Troy Bishop crying in the clip it was Huckleberry Fox. Cutest Kid EVER!!
alittletooclosetothesun
lincolnplacelovesyou
Posted 3:05 AM 11/6/08
As the child of a plastic surgeon, my practiced opinion is: subtle face lift, fillers in the upper lip and nasolabial folds, botox under the eyes, and either a browlift or botox in the forehead.
ps i f'ing LOVE debra winger. black widow? can you imagine any of today's flyweights carrying that movie like theresa duncan and debra winger?
lincolnplacelovesyou
Mark Graham
Posted 2:54 AM 11/6/08
@alittletooclosetothesun: Nice call, my bad.
@mothrafairy and @slauza: The reason I positioned it this way was because it was a perfect opportunity for Winger to say "Oh, that was a long time ago. We may have had some issues then, but I love and respect Shirley MacLaine" (or words to that effect). But she didn't do that, she ignored the line of questioning, which is tantamount to continuing the argument. I was kind of hoping that Winger would blast MacLaine, but alas, we'll have to wait until she goes on the Springer show for that to happen.
Mark Graham
sassytv
Posted 3:07 PM 10/6/08
I actually think she hasn't had ANY surgery, it's just that we're so not used to seeing women age naturally we forget what they look like....mind you, I'm not wearing my glasses right now.
sassytv
disinterested 3rd party
Posted 3:53 AM 11/6/08
@clapyourhandssayLauren: I was waiting for that one.
I think she looks great. "Officer" is one of the great movies of that era. I was in high school when that one came out and what a great date movi. A little eye candy for everyone and David Caruso gets his assed kicked. Win-Win-Win.
disinterested 3rd party
thewandering1
Posted 3:50 AM 11/6/08
Also, she was the voice of E.T. Mixed with an old lady, but still, very cool.
Cautionary tale about reading the reviews and/or what passes as a funny anecdote in my family (seriously).
when i was 8 and my sister 6, my mom got cancer. ovarian/ uteran. she had to have the whole works removed. she didn't really want to tell us about it, or get into detail because she thought it would scare us. being a single mom, she scheduled the surgery for saturday morning, planned for us to stay at her best friend's for that night (yeah, it was ambulatory, viva HMOs!).
the day before going in, she wanted to have a girl's day out (my brother always was the lucky one) and have lunch and then see a movie. my mom's favorite actress? shirley maclaine. opening that day? terms of endearment. my mom? too busy/ distracted/ freaked out to do research.
about twenty minutes into the matinee, she turned white. forty minutes later, she was shaking. by the end? i thought she was going to vomit internal organs.
so, um, i still hate shirley maclaine, too.
(my mom's surgery went great, but she never forgave herself for that movie.)
thewandering1
TurdBlossom
Posted 3:38 AM 11/6/08
She looks amazing! And props to her for not giving the standard Oprah-ish answer "I respect and admire..blah blah blah..bullshit bullshit.." politically correct but completley untrue answer.
TurdBlossom
City_Dater
Posted 4:16 AM 11/6/08
She should be doing commercials for whoever did her work! If one isn't going to age gracefully and naturally, one should at least not end up looking like the fright mask version of oneself. She's still so pretty.
City_Dater
Mr-Busy
Posted 7:54 AM 11/6/08
BOTOX on forehead - although she did move it a little during the interview. Some work done on her nose. Possibly thinning it brought her eyes together. Not enough eye makeup... they should have done some work on her neck.
Mr-Busy
Baronzemo
Posted 8:29 AM 11/6/08
Oh, how the theatre rat waitstaff howled when they learned a friend's older brother waited on her & her bodyguard on a slow-ass Sunday night at a "lite cuisine" restaurant in an off-ramp shopping center. Roseanna Arquette can quit looking now;
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losergirl
Posted 12:26 PM 11/6/08
She looks like a "good" Sally Jesse Raphael
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mothrafairy
Posted 12:46 PM 11/6/08
Gawd...does anyone remember when she first emerged as Wonder Woman's little sister, Drusilla/Wonder Girl, on the 'Wonder Woman' show back in the late 70s?
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If I had been a "normal" little boy, I woulda been hot for The Nubile Winger but, alas, I was more interested in her spinning/transormational skills.
And the bracelets, I guess.
@Mark Graham:
She DID deflect the whole MacClaine thing. Yeah, she still has bad "feelins," doesn't she. But I Love Her.
mothrafairy
Reggie Cameron
Posted 5:15 PM 11/6/08
WOW. Anyone notice the scary surgery scars on her neck?
Reggie Cameron
regisgoat
Posted 8:50 PM 11/6/08
@Losin' It
Well, maybe I was too hard on Ancient Sumer, but we can't go on living in the past like this.
regisgoat
NeroliScaevola
Posted 1:38 AM 11/6/08
Hey.. Defamer, check your facts! The little actor that was turned "into a blubbering mess on set" wasn't Troy Bishop, his name was Huckleberry Fox. Troy Bishop was the older boy who never shed a tear in that scene. Nice researching, guys! Duh!
NeroliScaevola