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	<title>Comments on: Defamer Australia&#8217;s Slightly Belated Eurovision Wrap Up</title>
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		<title>By: Ash</title>
		<link>http://www.defamer.com.au/2008/05/defamer_australias_slightly_belated_eurovision_wrap_up/comment-page-1/#comment-2229</link>
		<dc:creator>Ash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 05:51:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I enjoyed reading your review of Eurovision. I think you summed it up very well. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I think all the negative comments made would be a lot less had Ukraine won. I cant stand they way that Dima Bilan carried on. He may be a superstar in that part of the world but I just cant imagine someone like Justin Timberlake squealing and carrying on like a 5 year old in the green room.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Something really needs to be done to fix Eurovision. They did it in the 90&#039;s when the contest was getting old fashioned and the ratings boomed. But if we want the ESC to continue it needs to change.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I think that phone voting has to go or be moderated in some way. A prime example is that the winner of Australian Idol is often not the most deserving one. Number two in these style of contests around the world have often done better than the winner. But teenage girls or people from a distinct community (like a country town) get behind a contestant and vote en masse. Look at the way the British audience votes for their Eurovision contestant. I cant believe people vote for the blandest or tackiest entry (like Scooch). I dont underestimate the British tendancy to vote for a poor entry purely out of sympathy or to put a more &quot;famous&quot; competitor into their place.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I know that many people think the juries picked old fashioned songs as winners but they had heard the songs before hand and were familiar with things. One example is in 1996 when Ireland won over the UK&#039;s Gina G. Gina G may have had a popular song but now ten years later the Irish entry still stands out as a quality song. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I guess if juries were combined with a televote a happy medium could be achieved. I would also lessen the impact of people who make repeated phone calls to vote for one song which really throws things out of whack. It seems to work with programs like &quot;Dancing with the stars&quot;. Most viewers seem happy with the winner.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I honestly think that Eurovisions overseer Svante Stockselius sees nothing wrong with the direction the contest is going. I am sure he just thrilled to see money pouring in, especially for phone votes. I hope he is investing his money wisely because if he carries on this way there will be no more Eurovision, and the world would be a sadder place without this unique event.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I enjoyed reading your review of Eurovision. I think you summed it up very well. </p>
<p>I think all the negative comments made would be a lot less had Ukraine won. I cant stand they way that Dima Bilan carried on. He may be a superstar in that part of the world but I just cant imagine someone like Justin Timberlake squealing and carrying on like a 5 year old in the green room.</p>
<p>Something really needs to be done to fix Eurovision. They did it in the 90&#8217;s when the contest was getting old fashioned and the ratings boomed. But if we want the ESC to continue it needs to change.</p>
<p>I think that phone voting has to go or be moderated in some way. A prime example is that the winner of Australian Idol is often not the most deserving one. Number two in these style of contests around the world have often done better than the winner. But teenage girls or people from a distinct community (like a country town) get behind a contestant and vote en masse. Look at the way the British audience votes for their Eurovision contestant. I cant believe people vote for the blandest or tackiest entry (like Scooch). I dont underestimate the British tendancy to vote for a poor entry purely out of sympathy or to put a more &#8220;famous&#8221; competitor into their place.</p>
<p>I know that many people think the juries picked old fashioned songs as winners but they had heard the songs before hand and were familiar with things. One example is in 1996 when Ireland won over the UK&#8217;s Gina G. Gina G may have had a popular song but now ten years later the Irish entry still stands out as a quality song. </p>
<p>I guess if juries were combined with a televote a happy medium could be achieved. I would also lessen the impact of people who make repeated phone calls to vote for one song which really throws things out of whack. It seems to work with programs like &#8220;Dancing with the stars&#8221;. Most viewers seem happy with the winner.</p>
<p>I honestly think that Eurovisions overseer Svante Stockselius sees nothing wrong with the direction the contest is going. I am sure he just thrilled to see money pouring in, especially for phone votes. I hope he is investing his money wisely because if he carries on this way there will be no more Eurovision, and the world would be a sadder place without this unique event.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian M</title>
		<link>http://www.defamer.com.au/2008/05/defamer_australias_slightly_belated_eurovision_wrap_up/comment-page-1/#comment-2228</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 12:20:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;One of the best solutions to this I&#039;ve seen is to have a mechanism for reducing the value of a countries votes based on their previous voting record .. that way if Greece gives 12 points to Cyprus as usual, this would get devalued somewhat. There&#039;s definitely some way to easily define this mathematically, it&#039;s just about drawing the boundaries.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the best solutions to this I&#8217;ve seen is to have a mechanism for reducing the value of a countries votes based on their previous voting record .. that way if Greece gives 12 points to Cyprus as usual, this would get devalued somewhat. There&#8217;s definitely some way to easily define this mathematically, it&#8217;s just about drawing the boundaries.</p>
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		<title>By: SimianSays</title>
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		<dc:creator>SimianSays</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 17:36:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I genuinely liked Greece&#039;s &quot;Secret Combination&quot;, with the lovely Kalomira and tortured English lyrics (&quot;I&#039;m not easy but I&#039;m true&quot;? Really?)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I genuinely liked Greece&#8217;s &#8220;Secret Combination&#8221;, with the lovely Kalomira and tortured English lyrics (&#8221;I&#8217;m not easy but I&#8217;m true&#8221;? Really?)</p>
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		<title>By: Sue</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 00:09:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Although the Swedish song had undeniable pedigree it was dated. It was never going to get votes. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Russia and the Ukraine were always the favourites. Sure it&#039;s upsetting when your favourite doesn&#039;t win - for me it&#039;s Malta - but you know it&#039;s a contest, it happens.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Russia sent a super star who was joined by two super stars with a song that was produced by superstar (Timbaland). There should not surprise that after all those superstars in came the votes.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;More importantly, get over this east and west divide people. It exists, it will now always exist. Accept, move on!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Finally, I love this contest and I had a blast watching it and I will have a balst watching it next year. &lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although the Swedish song had undeniable pedigree it was dated. It was never going to get votes. </p>
<p>Russia and the Ukraine were always the favourites. Sure it&#8217;s upsetting when your favourite doesn&#8217;t win &#8211; for me it&#8217;s Malta &#8211; but you know it&#8217;s a contest, it happens.</p>
<p>Russia sent a super star who was joined by two super stars with a song that was produced by superstar (Timbaland). There should not surprise that after all those superstars in came the votes.</p>
<p>More importantly, get over this east and west divide people. It exists, it will now always exist. Accept, move on!</p>
<p>Finally, I love this contest and I had a blast watching it and I will have a balst watching it next year. </p>
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		<title>By: vincent</title>
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		<dc:creator>vincent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 00:01:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Eurovision has been going downhill since about 2003. The songs are absolutely shithouse and all these obscure countries are gaining so many points because of politics! San Marino?! WTF?!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;BTW, the UK, Germany, France and Spain are always guaranteed a place in the Eurovision. They are the &#039;big 4&#039;. Italy hasn&#039;t been in a Eurovision since around 1995 and is apparently &#039;not interested&#039; in entering another Eurovision. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;A real let down for me was the absence of Ireland in this year&#039;s Eurovision. They&#039;re like the Rabbitohs of Eurovision: they&#039;re won the most, yet not even a song from them this year; instead we&#039;re treated to Azerbaijan or whatever the goddamn country is called. Bring back classic Eurovision, instead of this brand-spankin&#039;-new lukewarm crap.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eurovision has been going downhill since about 2003. The songs are absolutely shithouse and all these obscure countries are gaining so many points because of politics! San Marino?! WTF?!</p>
<p>BTW, the UK, Germany, France and Spain are always guaranteed a place in the Eurovision. They are the &#8216;big 4&#8242;. Italy hasn&#8217;t been in a Eurovision since around 1995 and is apparently &#8216;not interested&#8217; in entering another Eurovision. </p>
<p>A real let down for me was the absence of Ireland in this year&#8217;s Eurovision. They&#8217;re like the Rabbitohs of Eurovision: they&#8217;re won the most, yet not even a song from them this year; instead we&#8217;re treated to Azerbaijan or whatever the goddamn country is called. Bring back classic Eurovision, instead of this brand-spankin&#8217;-new lukewarm crap.</p>
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		<title>By: español</title>
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		<dc:creator>español</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 23:59:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Spain is tired of Eurovision. Spain decided in MySpace to laugh, not to win. We will never win because Eurovision is not a musical event, it&#039;s a political event.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Viva Chiquilicuatre!!!! BOICOT!!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spain is tired of Eurovision. Spain decided in MySpace to laugh, not to win. We will never win because Eurovision is not a musical event, it&#8217;s a political event.</p>
<p>Viva Chiquilicuatre!!!! BOICOT!!</p>
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		<title>By: Cesar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cesar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 18:59:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hehe&lt;br /&gt;
The Spanish entry was choosen just to tell Europe what most people think about Eurovision in Spain: ESC has NOTHING to do with talent or good music. Look the winner. Look french position. If there´s no place for good music, at least let´s make room for humor&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hehe<br />
The Spanish entry was choosen just to tell Europe what most people think about Eurovision in Spain: ESC has NOTHING to do with talent or good music. Look the winner. Look french position. If there´s no place for good music, at least let´s make room for humor</p>
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		<title>By: Kurt Munro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kurt Munro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 17:16:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Sweden should have won by a mile. By far the catchiest song and strongest chorus. The fact that the singer looks like a tranny doesn&#039;t entirely hold up considering she won it in 1999.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Russia only won because they had an olympic gold winning ice skater in their performance - Evgeni Plushenko.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If the UK wants to get anywhere then they&#039;ll have to get rid of the public voting, otherwise the they&#039;ll continue to vote for whoever was in X-factor (most popular) or the funniest/dumbest song. Put a board of 10 or so people working in the music business and let them vote.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sweden should have won by a mile. By far the catchiest song and strongest chorus. The fact that the singer looks like a tranny doesn&#8217;t entirely hold up considering she won it in 1999.</p>
<p>Russia only won because they had an olympic gold winning ice skater in their performance &#8211; Evgeni Plushenko.</p>
<p>If the UK wants to get anywhere then they&#8217;ll have to get rid of the public voting, otherwise the they&#8217;ll continue to vote for whoever was in X-factor (most popular) or the funniest/dumbest song. Put a board of 10 or so people working in the music business and let them vote.</p>
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		<title>By: DigitalVersicolor</title>
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		<dc:creator>DigitalVersicolor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 11:31:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Last night just felt wrong :(. Did anyone see the large Ausi flag in the audience!?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last night just felt wrong :(. Did anyone see the large Ausi flag in the audience!?</p>
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